Chat Transcript 20181012 Student Classroom Engagement

13:44:14 From Steven Gilbert : Try this?
13:48:54 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group :
13:56:57 From Sally Gilbert : Yeah Penny!!!!
13:59:24 From Steven Gilbert : New/Old issue in online synch sessions: why people CHOOSE text, audio, video? Sit in classroom front, back, aisle,…
14:02:09 From Penny Kuckkahn : Steve hit is on the head why my video is not on today.
14:02:59 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : hi Penny
14:03:36 From Mike Welker : Zoom just had their big user convention somaybe rolled out new features??
14:04:31 From Inspector Gadget : Here we go..Miranda rights. 😉
14:04:46 From Inspector Gadget : Google plus is shutting down-not for the institutional u sers though.
14:05:54 From Steven Gilbert :
14:06:48 From Inspector Gadget : I guess I”m listed as the “Moose.” 🙂
14:07:03 From Inspector Gadget : Usually, it’s Inspector Gadget. 😉
14:08:56 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : Hi Irene
14:09:13 From Inspector Gadget : Hi Beth-how did you guess? =)
14:10:18 From Mike Welker : Faculty & Students = MOST crucial for shared classroom engagement
14:10:18 From Inspector Gadget : This is Inspector Gadget-aka The Moose (LOL), aka Irene aka Irina. 🙂
14:10:24 From dr. jim stenerson : It depends on the pedagogical model you are using
14:10:26 From Kristi – UND : Faculty at first….but takes two…so equal effort
14:10:27 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : Most responsibility belongs with Faculty. Students should also be held responsible, but less so.
14:10:31 From Inspector Gadget : Faculty and Students-student peer learning and accountability for learning
14:10:31 From John Munro : all three must be present for quality engagement
14:10:39 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : I tend to think that both the student and faculty are responsible to different extents.
14:11:01 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : I’d like to learn everyone’s ideas for ways leadership and support services can be responsible.
14:11:04 From Penny Kuckkahn : Faculty and Students, but in different manners
14:11:14 From Flavio Argueta : faculty and students both. Faculty design the activity. Students r encouraged to work actively.
14:11:20 From Linzy Liu : Hello everyone.
14:11:21 From John Munro : opportunity from faculty, contribution from students, support from “system”
14:11:22 From Mike Welker : Faculty designs environment/ sequence — students help refine/ shape and pick up their end of the rope
14:11:24 From Penny Kuckkahn : I will echo Brian’s ask
14:11:25 From Melissa McAlexander : Faculty responsible for establishing norms of engagement, opportunities for regular engagement, ways for all voices to be heard, differing modes of engaging.
14:11:25 From Hornsby : Instructor or Student Team Lead
14:12:47 From Flavio Argueta : faculty creates the class climate to allow for Ss being comfortable in sharing
14:13:07 From Inspector Gadget : inclusive design
14:14:10 From Steven Gilbert : Jim & John… any response to this ??
14:14:26 From Linzy Liu : Did we talk about peer assessment?
14:15:54 From Steven Gilbert : In flipped classroom (with some defs) student has greater responsibility for “classroom engagement”
14:17:19 From Steven Gilbert : John: engagement in the class/session depends on engaging actively with the info/resources before the sessions!
14:17:46 From Linzy Liu : yes!
14:17:50 From Linzy Liu : Sorry haha!
14:19:05 From Steven Gilbert : Lucy: Student peer assessment … provides another encouragement of engagement
14:20:09 From Linzy Liu : Great! I’ll listen in and see where I can contribute for best practices in digital learning
14:20:52 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group :
14:23:28 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : Tardiness is a problem with first and second year students at my college.
14:23:39 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : It is, of course, disruptive.
14:23:43 From Mike Welker : The ‘debate’ of BANNING mobile devices aeemsa like ablunt instrument with unintended impact of hurting engagement
14:24:26 From Melissa McAlexander : Tardiness is a challenge, ranging from commuters getting stuck in traffic AM or PM; trying to get lunch in-between classes;
14:25:04 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : Is it 1 or more or half the class arriving late?
14:26:02 From Melissa McAlexander : Our classroom doors are usually at the front – so they can’t “sneak in”. We have small classes, so 2 or 3 late students out of 15-25 can be challenging,especially if they keep trickling in…
14:27:13 From Mike Welker : phased ‘sponge’ activities maybe another option?
14:27:41 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : That is fair, if that is the issue.
14:27:51 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : Often, students could be on time and are not.
14:29:26 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : I was thinking something similar. Can the class agree on a new start time?
14:30:20 From Linzy Liu : Students want to see their grades and feedback right away so they don’t forget the content and re-learn the materials. I miss school 😀
14:31:52 From dr. jim stenerson : that’s a first for me Steve
14:33:20 From Steven Gilbert :
14:33:25 From pcancro : always!
14:34:53 From Mike Welker : worked aok
14:35:09 From pcancro : I got to the page – but not getting to the poll
14:35:32 From Hornsby : I agree, as the first things that should be done is some quick RCA (Root Cause Analysis), to determine the acutal ‘root’/issue. Then conduct the resolution, where-ever it may lie
14:35:34 From pcancro : heading there again now
14:35:48 From Sally Gilbert : I like RCA
14:35:56 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : Does anyone know the source of the garbled background noises?
14:37:57 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : Thanks
14:38:07 From Mike Welker : much better!
14:38:17 From pcancro : It was a browser issue on my part for having trouble with the poll
14:38:38 From Douglas Eder : Question: Do students who are habitually or regularly late for class (and therefore don’t “engage” in the eyes of the professor) suffer lower grades? It is well known that students work for grades. If the answer is “yes,” then lateness and engagement are important. If the answer is “no,” then the late students are finding ways to compensate, and the engagement doesn’t matter much. Your thoughts?
14:38:39 From pcancro : RCA – business process analysis concept for sure
14:39:34 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : Hornsby, I love your process improvement/quality improvement reference to root cause analysis
14:43:56 From pcancro : I think most of our faculty is willing to try BUT some still have low expectations for something working
14:44:33 From pcancro : @Flavio – yes!
14:45:02 From Peg Sherven : Hi, sorry for joining late. I’ve found that engagement and motivation are really dependent on the culture and faculty member’s expectations.
14:45:15 From Hornsby : Here is something for thought …. if at the beginning of the course, if an expectation is set where during the course. there will be a rotation of students being a Team Lead and an Assistant Team Lead. Team Lead/Assistant Team Leads cannot be late for class. Also, the Leaders will help to LEAT the class in discussions etc.
14:45:27 From Hornsby : LEAT + LEAD
14:45:32 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : good point Peg
14:45:40 From pcancro : some of our faculty development meetings suffer from low faculty engagement, so we struggle with “starting at the top” sometimes
14:45:46 From Mike Welker : The ‘HOW’ is a big need vs harranguing faculty to do more… I have had luck with doing weekly mini videos and resources pages
14:46:16 From Melissa McAlexander : Sometimes the traditional role of “lecturer” is comfortable for faculty and students alike. How to bridge expectations and culture….
14:46:33 From pcancro : @Hornsby – I like that idea! That could be really helpful for me in my 8am classes – lateness is a BIG issue there
14:46:42 From Mike Welker : @Melissa – expectations reinforce din K-12 a lot
14:46:46 From Flavio Argueta : i heard it as micro writing…
14:47:07 From Melissa McAlexander : Sorry I have to dash – enjoy the remainder of the discussion.
14:47:31 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : thanks for joining us Melissa.
14:47:48 From Linzy Liu : I help instructors to build their own rubrics to use in assignments, so submissions and feedback from peer assessment can be more constructive.
14:47:59 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : they are both great reflection activities
14:48:28 From pcancro : I’ve seen the muddiest point used in asynch ol classes – but I like the suggestion you
14:48:34 From pcancro : re giving now
14:48:56 From pcancro : 😀
14:49:41 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : Mike, to do you give the students an advanced organizer so they know they need to be ready to complete the muddiest point?
14:50:13 From pcancro : I like that
14:50:14 From Flavio Argueta : You can also setup sentence structures and have students fill-in the blanks. I believe Edutopia presented this strategy
14:50:57 From Linzy Liu : Have anyone hear of The Protégé Effect?
14:51:00 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : establishing faculty presence.
14:51:36 From Mike Welker : Archer Garrison Community of Inquiry
14:52:32 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : I like what you are describing Mike, students may be more likely to contribute seriously in the future especially when they know you are utilizing the information
14:53:06 From Mike Welker : @Beth – it is part of the assignments with a few points attached
14:53:51 From Linzy Liu : Students write up to 2 pages of feedback on average per assignment, they love live chats. It’s great!
14:53:57 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : @ Mike, so contributing via the Muddiuest Point is factored into their grade, makes sense
14:54:45 From Mike Welker : @Beth – students don’t do optional- esp online asynchronous students ;D
14:55:20 From Linzy Liu : If you make them anonymous, they interact more with confidence. This happens often to students with special needs too
14:55:31 From Hornsby : Do the students that come late (habitually) know what are the consequences for said action??? AND do they know that lateness is NOT tolerated out in the real business world??
14:56:15 From Flavio Argueta : polleverywhere free allows for 25 partipants.
14:56:16 From Linzy Liu : @Hornsby, seriously, it is not tolerated in the real world. I’m a working professional, I know….
14:56:18 From Mike Welker : @Flavio – that’s a cool idea
14:56:59 From Hornsby : Hey Linzy … absolutley correct !!! Lateness is just NOT tolerated !!
14:58:35 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : We have often asked FRLV participants to reflect on the session and share one idea or one take away from the session.
14:58:36 From Linzy Liu : @hornsby, do you want me to be a guest speaker? I’m going back to my college as an alumni to highlight self-discipline as well. Just saying
14:59:21 From Peg Sherven : Here’s a new Drupal webpage our Medical School is working on. We’ll continue adding to it:
14:59:47 From dr. jim stenerson : Sorry I have to leave for a meeting at 3:00
15:00:06 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : Thanks Jim and John
15:00:45 From Linzy Liu : I’d love to volunteer to talk about peer assessment online! you can email me for a free account: (I promise it’s free)
15:00:50 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : Thanks Peg for sharing the link.
15:00:55 From Linzy Liu : Linzy 🙂
15:00:59 From Mike Welker : Thanks all- need to run!
15:01:37 From pcancro : hard for me to commit to specific dates but willhelp where I can
15:01:50 From pcancro : “Paula”
15:01:54 From pcancro : 🙂
15:02:04 From Linzy Liu : If anyone’s in Boston, I’d also love to grab lunch as well.
15:02:06 From pcancro : thanks Sally 🙂
15:02:13 From BrianHickam, Blackburn College : Peer tutoring is a discussion topic I’d like to participate in.
15:02:31 From pcancro : @Linzy – sounds like a great topic @Brian – peer tutoring as well
15:03:15 From Sally Gilbert : Anyone here today can have a discounted TLT Group membership for $40.12. email me for the invoice.
15:03:28 From Linzy Liu : Thanks everyone! I get too passionate about teaching and learning! haha My old company had this mission for all employees as well, we all learn to share, it’s part of team work.
15:03:32 From pcancro : I’m about to (in the next few weeks) experiment with deliberative discussions as an activity – both online and f2f – IU may be able to do something after that if there’s interest
15:04:27 From Flavio Argueta : @pcancro can you explain deliberative discussions a bit more?
15:04:56 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group :
15:05:55 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : deliberate discussioms, is that from Peter Senge?
15:06:02 From pcancro : @Flavio – it’s actually a format of group discussions to address an issue – participants discuss issues and solutions and see if they can reach a common ground. Take a look at at
15:06:16 From Penny Kuckkahn : Thanks for a thoughtful session
15:06:37 From Flavio Argueta : lol
15:06:49 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : great to “see” you Penny
15:07:33 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group :
15:07:54 From Steven Gilbert :
15:08:26 From Flavio Argueta : the online design would be great to know how it went. I would like to c how it works.
15:08:51 From Beth Dailey, TLT Group : I will contact you Paula
15:09:15 From pcancro : sounds good
15:12:49 From Steven Gilbert :
15:13:09 From Flavio Argueta : I have experience with Moodle 3.4 and Canvas to help setup/test the online discussion
15:14:28 From Linzy Liu : Canvas is eating the LMS market
15:14:45 From Flavio Argueta : we can also test with zoom or even hangouts
15:15:08 From Flavio Argueta :
15:16:03 From Linzy Liu : Have you tried appear or daily? It’s free
15:16:09 From Flavio Argueta : hangout has breakout rooms too
15:16:54 From Peg Sherven : At the UMN, we are switching from Moodle to Canvas and are also beginning to pilot Zoom as a potential new platform (or we’ll stick with WebEx). There are zoom rooms (breakout rooms) that can be set up.
15:17:33 From pcancro : @Peg -yes
15:17:41 From Linzy Liu : I like WebEx much better than Zoom. but most people have zoom for some reason.
15:18:20 From Flavio Argueta : thank you
15:18:29 From Linzy Liu : Thank you Steven!
15:18:36 From Peg Sherven : thank you! Hope you don’t get any SNOW!!! ha ha
15:18:43 From pcancro : I really enjoy this grouop
15:18:46 From pcancro : bye all


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